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mabster 10 hours ago [-]
I went to the page expecting to rant about how it's not actually credit card size because of the thickness and was for once pleasantly surprised! Kudos to the author! It looks great!
ghrl 3 hours ago [-]
I was thinking all that too and considering commenting about being sick of those credit card size claims, but after seeing the footage I am genuinely impressed. Great work there.
asdefghyk 14 hours ago [-]
This post - the title made me remember ... ( as a credit card is about the same size as a business card )
A Linux Business Card CD is a miniature, credit-card-sized optical disc containing a stripped-down, bootable Linux operating system. They hold around 50MB to 100MB of data and were highly popular in the early-to-mid 2000s
Seth Schoen (<https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=schoen> at HN) was lead dev in building one of the best-known instances of these, the Linuxcare Bootable Business Card (LNX-BBC), and has occasionally commented on that here:
Just saw this and love how I got the 100th or so "Does it run DOOM?". Even now officially an issue on GitHub. Does that mean I now have to deliver?
Muhammad523 12 hours ago [-]
> Does that mean I now have to deliver?
Well, if you'd like to, you're free to do so! If not, somebody else could do it. You're not your audience's slave
I know it was intended as a joke but still..
abdullahkhalids 7 hours ago [-]
How optimal is the PCB density? Do you think there is significant room for improvement to have a smaller PCB and larger screen and/or battery?
IAmBroom 10 hours ago [-]
So... it's not DOOM-complete?
Teenage Alan T. would be so disappointed... :D
lxgr 10 hours ago [-]
> A fully working computer that is literally the size of a credit card.
Nit: A (chip) credit card is already a fully working computer :)
ZiiS 10 hours ago [-]
Only if it is inside a specially designed radio field and with no independent IO. Feels like a battery and IO justify the 'fully working' differentiation.
lxgr 9 hours ago [-]
Interesting philosophical question: Is a tower PC that's not plugged into anything (neither power nor a keyboard or monitor) a computer? Does computation happen if nobody can perceive it? And is a computer a computer even between two CPU cycles?
> no independent IO
I would challenge that! How is a smartcard different from a server in a qualitative sense? Both get all their I/O over the network.
Some cards even have a display, fingerprint reader, or can blink an LED (the latter unfortunately only indiscriminately when powered up, not in response to any computation, I'm afraid).
Rohansi 8 hours ago [-]
Is a bare SoC a computer? You can poke the pins to provide power and I/O.
The interesting thing about this project is that this computer can function independently within a credit card sized space.
IAmBroom 10 hours ago [-]
I've never heard a definition of a computer to include its power source.
Thanks! This project is cool enough that I think we can tolerate another thread about it, especially since that post didn't get too much frontpage time. I'll put a link to it at the top though.
dthdthdtejdz 45 minutes ago [-]
Thanks! Arbitrary application of rules is nothing short of what I would expect from CCP LOVER DANG.
realo 8 hours ago [-]
Very cool! Love it...
But...
The battery is likely to be squeezed quite a bit after this is put in my wallet, and in my pocket.
Lithium batteries do not like to be squeezed. They tend to signal their distress with some type of heat, usually accompanied with a small fire and probable smoke as well.
A distressed battery is very insistent upon everyone to see it's state of mind...
skavi 8 hours ago [-]
This is discussed in the post.
z3ugma 10 hours ago [-]
Hidden in here is the coolest part, that the author made flex PCBs at home
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firesteelrain 11 hours ago [-]
Just in time for DEFCON. We built many of these types of badges
inflam52 11 hours ago [-]
I love these kind of projects. M5Stack Cardputer Zero launched on Kickstarter last week and already hit their goal
Prologium is depositing thin film solid state batteries onto flexible ceramic insulators. They have some demos of single cells that appear to be thinner than 1mm continuing to operate after bending in half.
I think that there could be a wider screen if such formats are available. Once we have betavoltaic batteries, the entire card can be screen.
rbanffy 13 hours ago [-]
I'm not sure beta voltaics will ever reach LiPo densities. All materials I know would be unwise to place in your wallet, or anywhere near your body.
If we are OK with a battery and a beta voltaic source, a tritium one is reasonably safe and can trickle charge the battery when the device is in deep low power mode. The battery can still be charged by the induction coil.
mmmehulll 13 hours ago [-]
love this. would be cool if we can see and perform all kinds of banking txns on this. Think ledger but all in one card. Super cool. Even cooler would be card to card money transfer without use of swipe machines
resonious 12 hours ago [-]
If "ledger on card" interests you, then you might enjoy Japan's FeliCa cards. They store balance locally on the card so you can pay very quickly, no network required.
abdullahkhalids 7 hours ago [-]
Do these cards solve the electronic cash problem (in a completely different way than cryptocurrencies)? What I mean is that
- Are the card readers special/trusted issued by bank/govt in some way? Or you can transfer money from one card to another yourself fully offline?
- Is there any requirements that the transfers have to be eventually communicated to the bank by one of the parties to be fully resolved?
- Has someone managed to create fake cards with fake money in it, or this is impossible by design?
fph 13 hours ago [-]
How do you recharge it? Do you have to swap the battery?
krauseler 12 hours ago [-]
Hey, developer here :)
I used an ultra thin LiPo, so you can actually charge it. USB is obviously not an option but it uses magnetic pogo pins on the back side ^^
voidUpdate 15 hours ago [-]
It seems like it might be a little expensive for a business card...
bird0861 12 hours ago [-]
Let's see Paul Allen's card.
yesbabyyes 4 hours ago [-]
Or, it would be interesting to see how this would fare in American Psycho.
ohlookcake 14 hours ago [-]
Can it run DOOM?
krauseler 12 hours ago [-]
I've got the question like 100 times easily, and I love it.
And yes, if you accept ~0.7FPS
mlmonkey 9 hours ago [-]
You mean, 1.5 SPF :-D :-D
frankest 11 hours ago [-]
Try NGK EnerCera for battery.
stavros 11 hours ago [-]
This is great, and I love it, and I hate to be saying this, but it's not literally the size of a credit card, it's 0.2mm thicker.
krauseler 10 hours ago [-]
Fair enough, but I acknowledged that and it's 0.24mm thicker if we want to be exact. Here's a quote from my Git Repo:
"Official ISO7816 smartcards are specified at 0.76mm thickness, but many real-world cards slightly exceed this in practice. The target for this project was simple: Stay around ~1mm total thickness and preserve the illusion of a normal card."
stavros 10 hours ago [-]
Hey, works for me, I just got OCD from the title's usage of the word "literally".
iberator 12 hours ago [-]
Run Unix v6 on it :) 16 bit and works with like 80kb of ram
__This__ is where all those trusted app parts should go - a smart card with e-ink display that can provide high security assurance level and where I won't mind that it's locked down because it has only one purpose.
__Not__ to my smartphone, effectively preventing me from modifying the system in the name of security. A banking app can use a card like this and on the display I could for example see where a transaction would go and then I could accept it, possibly even with a biometric identification.
This would enable me to keep my smartphone customizable and banking apps secure at the same time.
[apologies for the rant]
NetMageSCW 3 hours ago [-]
And it would communicate using?
thenthenthen 12 hours ago [-]
Do yourself it!
acrophiliac 8 hours ago [-]
dyi = Do Yourself It?
aa-jv 13 hours ago [-]
I want this, but only for one thing: email.
I already use an pwnagotchi, and it works great for this - but its a bit bulky.
If I can get this set up and working, it'll be my main interface to email.
suzukivenom 14 hours ago [-]
legendary
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goodpoint 13 hours ago [-]
It's not a computer.
cbdevidal 12 hours ago [-]
It’s got more horsepower than my first desktop computer
bigfishrunning 11 hours ago [-]
In what way is it not a computer?
krauseler 12 hours ago [-]
Right, it doesn't compute. Apologies for the lie.
antonvs 10 hours ago [-]
Your definition of "computer" is incorrect.
mrbluecoat 12 hours ago [-]
First thought: cool!
Second thought: e-waste
(same reaction as single-serve coffee pods, circa 2023)
krauseler 12 hours ago [-]
Good point. Ideally it would be the opposite of waste if it can save you from several cards. But banks would never certify such a multi-card system unless a big company pushes it forward.
Otherwise I'm sure people might use this to hack some terminals :P
A Linux Business Card CD is a miniature, credit-card-sized optical disc containing a stripped-down, bootable Linux operating system. They hold around 50MB to 100MB of data and were highly popular in the early-to-mid 2000s
More info at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bootable_business_card
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REX_6000
I’d love to also go the opposite direction, a full-sized laptop with an ESP32 running tiny386 and Windows 95 ^_^
https://www.hackster.io/news/he-chunhui-s-tiny386-turns-the-...
Just saw this and love how I got the 100th or so "Does it run DOOM?". Even now officially an issue on GitHub. Does that mean I now have to deliver?
I know it was intended as a joke but still..
Teenage Alan T. would be so disappointed... :D
Nit: A (chip) credit card is already a fully working computer :)
> no independent IO
I would challenge that! How is a smartcard different from a server in a qualitative sense? Both get all their I/O over the network.
Some cards even have a display, fingerprint reader, or can blink an LED (the latter unfortunately only indiscriminately when powered up, not in response to any computation, I'm afraid).
The interesting thing about this project is that this computer can function independently within a credit card sized space.
IO is of course required.
But...
The battery is likely to be squeezed quite a bit after this is put in my wallet, and in my pocket.
Lithium batteries do not like to be squeezed. They tend to signal their distress with some type of heat, usually accompanied with a small fire and probable smoke as well.
A distressed battery is very insistent upon everyone to see it's state of mind...
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/m5stack/cardputerzero
https://prologium.com/tech/core-technology/
If we are OK with a battery and a beta voltaic source, a tritium one is reasonably safe and can trickle charge the battery when the device is in deep low power mode. The battery can still be charged by the induction coil.
- Are the card readers special/trusted issued by bank/govt in some way? Or you can transfer money from one card to another yourself fully offline?
- Is there any requirements that the transfers have to be eventually communicated to the bank by one of the parties to be fully resolved?
- Has someone managed to create fake cards with fake money in it, or this is impossible by design?
I used an ultra thin LiPo, so you can actually charge it. USB is obviously not an option but it uses magnetic pogo pins on the back side ^^
And yes, if you accept ~0.7FPS
"Official ISO7816 smartcards are specified at 0.76mm thickness, but many real-world cards slightly exceed this in practice. The target for this project was simple: Stay around ~1mm total thickness and preserve the illusion of a normal card."
Works on the RISC-V 32-bit processor, sometimes.
__Not__ to my smartphone, effectively preventing me from modifying the system in the name of security. A banking app can use a card like this and on the display I could for example see where a transaction would go and then I could accept it, possibly even with a biometric identification.
This would enable me to keep my smartphone customizable and banking apps secure at the same time.
[apologies for the rant]
I already use an pwnagotchi, and it works great for this - but its a bit bulky.
If I can get this set up and working, it'll be my main interface to email.
(same reaction as single-serve coffee pods, circa 2023)
Otherwise I'm sure people might use this to hack some terminals :P